Wednesday, January 04, 2012

Dear Filipinos,

Stop Claiming that You're Spanish!
You (probably) aren't.



 

Written: All over.
Mood: Venting. Perhaps a bit ranting.

Audience: Pretentious Filipinos and non-Filipinos confused by Filipinos claiming to be Spanish 
Previous Post: Shouldn't Have Sworn
Related Posts: White Privilege in the Philippines
                           White Privilege in the Philippines, Part II
                           Last Thoughts Before Going to Bed Tonight


It happened again. I met a Filipino guy more Asian looking than I am, claim that he was Spanish. Verbatim, he said, "I am Spanish" as though he were unequivocally of pure Castilian origin.

Uhhmm. No. I wouldn't bet on it.

I am sick and tired of Filipinos claiming this all because they have a Hispanic name. I was about to write a rant - which I justify not just as mere venting, but also a public service announcement - but I realized I've done this a long time ago.

As such, here's a modified version of a presentation I did for a class I had during the Winter of 2010 (Dr. Margo Husby's GNST 500) . This is ripped, truncated, and modified from what I handed to be marked.

Boldened sections can serve as cliff notes. The first person (I, We, Us) is used for both my Filipino lineage, and my Canadian identity - as much as possible I have made this distinct. Yes, the writing is sloppy for an essay, because it isn't one - as I said, it's fleshed out notes from a presentation/speech I did on the 6th of March 2010. The audience? Non Filipinos.

Stolen from the internet.... I have since forgotten where! Sorry!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5vcOooPnABI/Uv6jtnZNHvI/AAAAAAAAA1g/ycO10RzVgTE/s1600/colonial.jpg
Almost every Philippine born Filipino I have met claims to be a product of
Continued...


...to be the product of the intermarriage between Spanish colonial officers and Indigenous Filipinos. That they are Spain's descendants. That they have Mestizo Or mixed Heritage. First evidence they have is the name. Indeed, such Spanish names feature prominently in my own history. In my Dad's side the family names of Fernando, Diaz, and Perez all stand out. Whilst in my Mother's side Rubio, Bello, Bueno, and Manzano take prominence.

But, the reasoning that these Hispanic names must mean a Spanish heritage is flawed! Mating was not a prerequisite to adopt the Spanish name - merely converting to Christianity and swearing allegiance to Spain was enough.

As a second piece of evidence, Filipinos might mention that their parents, and their grandparents, and great grandparents, and so on and so forth, all their known ancestors were landowners – part of the propertied class with vast tracts of land. This is also true for both my Father’s and Mother’s side. They come from completely different regions – having only met in University - but they share that in common.

But again, this is not a surefire way of saying I have some Spanish in me because historically, in administering the colonial empire, the colonists usually would favour certain local leaders to expedite the process. I mean, why reinvent the wheel? Why dismantle whatever local fiefdom or kingdom is there when you could just make their leaders swear allegiance to Spain? It is just as likely that my grandparents from both sides are the descendants of a local tribal leader, as much as they could be a Spanish Colonial Officer or some other Spanish settler. This same logic, applied to every Filipino who claims to be part Spanish, compels me to call bullshit on such claims.

Most importantly, and the main basis for my doubt, is the fact that: It is very trendy in the Philippines to say that you have some European in you, that you are a product of the Spanish Colonial Era.

Simply put, it’s Filipinos being racist. We Filipinos call it “The Colonial Mentality” – that everything foreign, Western, from the Global North (to borrow a Development Studies word) is always better.

In fact, such thinking is so pervasive, that on occasion, the cultures of surviving indigenous tribes are disdained, labeled as primitive and backwards, while on the other hand, it is very cool to claim that your ancestors were Spanish.

Even today, the existing Philippine standards of beauty are still more aligned with light skinned, European features. This is reflected in who gets to be a celebrity, a star: They tend to have direct Caucasian ancestry – though for the most part, a lot of them nowadays are actually repatriated children of the Filipino Diaspora – people with actual Caucasian Ancestry. Don't believe me? Just do a search, watch Filipino shows available online, check out who does modeling in the Philippines. They are very white. The short of it is that Filipinos simply LOVE white people. I would even go so far as to say that they want to be white! Check out the skin whitening products available in the Philippines. Check out Manny Pacquiao's wife and her nose job.

And no, dear white people of the audience, I am not trying to make you feel guilty. The privilege that Filipinos give to your features is in no way a slight against you; you were born with it, and it isn't your fault. If anything, I'm blaming Filipinos with that so called "Colonial Mentality" for thinking this way - they are after all, elevating European/White features above all as the gold standard, well after Colonial control has long vanished.

Still, I cannot put enough emphasis on this: It is very cool in the Philippines to say that you have Spanish Ancestry. In the Filipino context, it is a boast, plain and simple

If you have Filipino friends, you probably have heard of similar claims. Now, it could very well be that they DO have Spanish grandparents.
But truthfully, unless they have unambiguous proof, as in they actually have a relative that was part of the Colonial administration, CHANCES ARE, IT IS AN OUTRIGHT FANTASY.
In a way, Filipinos who do such a thing are also in effect identifying themselves with power and status. Perhaps not so prevalent anymore, but the power base and the elite of the Spanish era definitely had mixed ancestry. In effect they are saying: “Look, I had powerful and influential ancestors!”

However, the Philippines is not Latin America. Such extensive mixing did not happen. The Philippines was not widely settled by the colonizers, and neither was it directly administered by Spain.


Evidence - Genetic Evidence - suggests that only about 1% to 4% of Filipinos have varying degrees of European Heritage from the Patrilineal Lineage, or the Father’s Side. It’s a very tiny minority! It’s not like Honduras where the majority are actual mixed race people, or “Mestizos” in the Spanish vernacular.

I say again: unless they have unambiguous proof, chances of a Filipino claiming to be a Mestizo is an outright fantasy. That’s only 1 in 100 to 1 in 25.

To put these chances into perspective, think of all the Filipinos you've met: If 25 of them say they are certain they have Spanish ancestry, then 24 are lying, deluded, or just uninformed.

That's a lot of lying, deluded, or uninformed Filipinos! And that's using the higher estimates. 1% means that out of 100 Filipinos laying claim to some Spanish blood, 99 are liars, delusional, or simply mistaken.

Now, I am critical, because I can be. I am westernized enough to be able to question such claims and ultimately criticize this Filipino Colonial Fetishism – yet Filipino enough that I can get away with it. If you are white, you may not get off as easily. If you want to offend a Filipino, when they go “my Grandparents were Spanish” - despite not looking the part by having the prototypical South East Asian features - you only have to tell them “Oh I’m sorry, I just don’t see it!”. I guarantee that you will certainly lose a friend.

Although it may seem that I am painting a bad picture of Filipinos, do not forget, that we - and I am now speaking as a Canadian and a westerner - we fetishize and positively “Other” distant cultures too – and I’m not just talking about just being open minded, friendly and welcoming. I mean, we fetishize cultures.

Just check out "Stuff White People like".

It’s a very entertaining cultural observation of left leaning, democratically inclined, and globally conscious westerners – be they Caucasian or not. Sometimes it can get a little too biting, but Professor Jared Diamond agrees!

In his work "Guns Germs and Steel", he cautions against Fetishism because it can be dangerous. Especially when expressed in a manner that makes it sound like as though it’s just a few degrees shy of using ‘the noble savage’ label, which really is an underhanded compliment. I emphasize this because too often have I heard “Northern” born people say: Filipinos are so nice.

Correction: The Filipinos you’ve met are nice.

I guarantee you that we – Filipinos – are just as diverse as any other population in that there will be people who are nice, and those who are *ahem* not so nice.

But I digress.

All I’m saying is that, European Canadians do this fetishizing too! Positive kind, but fetishism nonetheless. Not just in a manner of elevating the indigenous cultures of elsewhere mind you, but also of laying claim to their own lineages. How many Fifth or Fourth Generation Canadians, who although practice none of their heritage, still make blatant claims of being German, Irish, Scot, Polish… wherever. How many people claim these exotic lineages, yet practice none or very little of the culture?

Same deal. Because it’s so cool to be from far and wide, we go and say, we’re from elsewhere.

Now, here’s the thing where European North Americans have it good: You have records. Pop on to Ancestry.com and bam! Even if you date back to when the first colonizers/settlers, there’s no denying, you have such a lineage.

Filipinos on the other hand, have no proof.

Not only are Philippine records unreliable, they tend to be non existent.Two nearly back to back revolutions late 1800's and early 1900's, plus a World War kinda does that to public records I guess. And in a country terrible for keeping records at that.

And this is very painful because I’m the kind of person who doesn’t want to subscribe to a fantasy, so I had to have proof. I don’t want to say like so many Filipinos “Oh, I have Spanish Ancestors” without any shred of proof, especially when subscribing to such an idea would situate me in a position of believed superiority. Note the distinction: believed and not factual – I’m not saying a Spanish ancestry is superior – merely that, Filipinos THINK it to be superior.

Ok... ok. I admit that I may have done that in the past - I may have stated that I too had Spanish ancestry. But hey, living in the Philippines where such a claim was common, it's hard not to claim solidarity with something that will make you instantly cool.

..(large portion that is concerned only with the presentation cut out)...

Enter the National Geographic’s Genographic Project.

It takes so long to explain such an extensive program, so you guys will have to do some self research and reading.

...(also omitted)...

Anywho, the gist of it is, you purchase a kit, you take a DNA sample through epithelial cells inside your cheek using a cheek swab, and then you send it back. The vials have a specific barcode that you can use to track progress of the analysis online.

You can either choose the Y Chromosome Analysis, which would determine your patrilineal line – your Father’s father’s father’s father’s father’s father’s, FATHER and so on and so forth into Africa - or your Mitochondrial DNA, which will determine your matrilineal line – Mother’s mother’s mother’s mother’s mother’s MOTHER and so on and so forth, into Africa.

Ultimately, I chose the Y chromosome Analysis – my Father’s lineage. I did this, not because of any favouritism in my part, but because therein lies a sort of Family mystery. Unlike some Filipino names that are either clearly Spanish, it also isn’t some native indigenous word that translates to something else like Makisig which means “Strong” or “Powerful” and Catacutan which means “To be feared” – nothing as awesome as these.

It’s not even drawing from something more recent influences like Japanese, Korean, English/American, French. So if my last name is not a native indigenous word, it isn't a Spanish name as far as I know, and certainly not English or anything else, then what the hell is it? I have a sneaking suspicion that it is Hispanized Chinese.

Certainly, this is the case with some famous Filipino names like Cojuangco. Due to records, they have absolute certainty that they had Chinese Ancestry. Perhaps back in the day, there was one Kho Huan Ko, who landed in the Philippines, converted to Christianity, and either a transcribing error by mistake or by design, voila! He became Mr. Cojuanco with a Christian first name. Perhaps...

Similarly, my Dad's last name, has three syllables that can be broken down into three possible Chinese names. Could this be the case?

If my Dad's lineage is Haplogroup O or B, then my father's lineage is Asian, and that might lend some credence to my hunch.

Anyone care to hazard a guess?



Now, no discussion of the Genographic project is complete without some criticism.

If you look at the family tree, it would seem that the Asian story is still underrepresented.

In Europe, in the Nordic countries in particular - a place where you'd think it to be a very homogeneous, they've traced two Haplogroups. Asia on the other hand only has two known Haplogroups so far. Does that mean Asians really are that homogeneous? Or is the knowledge base still incomplete? Whatever the case, this certainly wouldn't answer my other questions such as, what kind of Asian am I, to be exact? The strategic location of Philippines still leaves many options. Was he Taiwanese? Indonesian? Malaysian? My Genetic trail stops 35,000 years ago. When did HE move? During the last ice age? Or during the more recent Philippine-China Trade? By “recent” I mean anywhere during the last 300 years. The results they give cannot answer where or how, or when exactly that one ancestor of mine arrived in what is now the Philippines.

Most importantly, it gives no actual answer to my name. I'm still just speculating as to the origins of "it". 
....(omitted)....

Finally, the choice of Y Chromosome or Mitochondrial DNA testing only yields ONE line - a choice between your father's father's father's father's father... and so on and so forth into Africa. Or your mother's mother's mother's mother's mother... and so on and so forth into Africa . It doesn't take into account all the other lineages that eventually converge into me. I suppose I could test some relatives to test my father's mother, or my father's mother's father, but that would get costly real quick.

Anyway, when I told my Dad of the results, I discerned that he would have been happier if the result had said Spanish, instead of Chinese. But being a man of science, he probably was still more interested than slightly disappointed. For him, who has a masters in Animal Sciences, specifically in Animal Breeding, such scientific results are very fascinating. When I let him read the first draft of this speech, he also said, "Hah! You go and tell the world, Son. Go ahead and shut up those flatnosed, stubby legged, dark Filipinos who claim to be something they aren't!" he said.

Admittedly, I'm taking liberties at what he exactly said. I assure you however that it was that brutally frank - I do take after him. Now, there is nothing wrong with being flatnosed, stubby legged, or dark. And my Dad certainly does not disdain such features - you are what you are. But if you are claiming to be something are not, then you probably need to be put in your place. This is not a quarrel against one's actual lineage, but rather a beef against false logic, pretentiousness, and what I would term as self hating racism.

In fact, if you're a Pinay, with such features, Rejoice! ROWR! White boys will be all over you! I'm told they find it "cute".

The point however is that, it's very disconcerting for me and my Dad - self proclaimed men of reason - to hear Pinoys and Pinays lay claim to some imagined Spanish heritage.
...(large portion concerned only with the presentation is hacked out)...

And just to show you how reasonable I am, allow me to now discount my own findings (or more appropriately: The findings of Nat Geo's Genographic Project)

The more I thought about actually proving my own patrilineal line, the less it mattered. The novelty of knowing, did not really fade, but I found less and less utility for it.

Especially since I could really only use it in making this scathing cultural observation against Filipinos - which is something I already do on a daily basis, what with my self deprecating humour.

Most importantly, even though one segment of my genetic bloodline says Han Chinese, I don’t feel that way. I mean, I COULD probably use it as a brag as much as those self-proclaimed Spanish-Filipinos; after all, Philippine born Filipinos would sooner claim to be from somewhere else than outright say "I am Filipino". But I was born into - and spent the first 15 years of my life - immersed in the Filipino culture. There is no trace of anything Chinese in my family, save for what Filipinos in general have already assimilated from Chinese culture - which isn't saying much because Filipinos love to take a little something from every other culture they sample. And that means a mish mash of everything. As most Filipino tour guides say in describing what is Filipino Culture: "... born in South East Asia; traded with the Chinese prior to western influence; spent 300 years under Spain; about 50 years under the Americans; 3 under the Japanese; and nowadays will jump in bed with just about anyone!"

And that, dear Filipinos, in my opinion, is Filipino identity.

It isn't in your blood, it's in how you think.

But even if you 'will' it, it won't happen. So my dear Filipinos, please stop claiming you have Spanish blood, since you - we - probably don't. And that's ok.



Next Post: Last Thoughts Before Going to Bed Tonight

Related Post: White Privilege in the Philippines
                          White Privilege in the Philippines, Part II




-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Annotated Literary References:

Arendt, Hannah (1963) Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil. New York, NY: Viking Press.
Hannah Arendt’s dissection of Eichmann’s personality and in a sense an analysis of the social mechanisms which allowed the Holocaust to occur.

Cristian Capelli, James F. Wilson, Martin Richards, Michael P. H. Stumpf, Fiona Gratrix, Stephen Oppenheimer, Peter Underhill, Vincenzo L. Pascali, Tsang-Ming Ko, and David B. Goldstein (2001) A Predominantly Indigenous Paternal Heritage for the Austronesian-Speaking Peoples of Insular Southeast Asia and Oceania. Stanford Human Population Genetics Laboratory. Accessed 12 March 2010 http://hpgl.stanford.edu/publications/AJHG_2001_v68_p432.pdf

Diamond, Jared (1997) Guns, Germs and Steel: The Fate of Human Societies. New York, NY: Norton
The famous book by Professor Jared Diamond where he scientifically and definitively dispels any racist interpretation of genetics, human migration, and civilization.

Dorai, Francis & Bell, Brian (2005) Insight Guides: Philippines. Singapore: Insight Print Services.
A superb tourist guide which gives decent background on Philippine History, the Philippines’ present culture as well as its social mores.

Frankl, Viktor (2000) Man’s Search for Ultimate Meaning. Cambridge, Mass: Perseus Publishing

Masson, Anne (Producer), & Mehta, Deepa. (Director). (1998). Earth: 1947 [Motion picture]. Canada/India: Zeitgeist Films.
A dramatization of the partition of India in 1947. This film succintly illustrates how even an ethnically close group of people can turn against each other when their cultural differences and disagreements are given emphasis – even if they had been close friends and neighbours before.

Rizal, Jose. (1996). Noli Me Tangere. (Translation by Maria Soledad Lacson-Locsin). Makati City, Philippines: The Bookmark Inc. (Original work published 1887).
Written by the Philippine National Hero, Jose Rizal, it is not only considered to be a landmark revolutionary literature with its biting social commentary, but also an accurate depiction and novelization of Philippine social mores during the height of the Spanish Colonial era. To this day, it has great relevance; to understand this book is to understand the Filipino psyche.

Sartre, Jean Paul. (1946). Humanism of Existentialism. In R. T. Matthews, & F. Dewitt Platt (Eds.), Readings in the Western Humanities (pp. 311-315). New York: McGraw Hill.

Weiner, Matt (producer) (2008) Mad Men Season 2 [Motion Picture Collection] USA: AMC Films

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Addendum:

Another good book, which I unfortunately had not yet come across when doing this presentation nearly 2 years ago is Rafael Vicente's "WHITE LOVE and other events in Filipino History".

Google Preview here: http://books.google.ca/books?id=5PZXhmERFYMC&printsec=frontcover&dq=white+love+filipino+history&hl=en&sa=X&ei=wFIDT8rwEM3UiAKPk72aDQ&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=white%20love%20filipino%20history&f=false

Labels: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,

79 Comments:

Blogger yen said...

Hahaha! I love this! Never will I attribute even a percentage of my bloodline to being Spanish especially given the color of my skin. Kayumanggi and Pinoy and proud of it! Quite an interesting post.

8:50 PM  
Blogger Jennifer's Thoughts... said...

I thought this was an interesting post. I agree with what you have to say even though there are probably a lot of people who do not agree. My husband is filipino and always tells people he is filipino, spanish & chinese because a lot of people don't understand why he has a spanish last name if he is not latino. I don't know it's really confusing to me what happened with the phillipines while under Spain Rule. But I do understand that although Spain did rule the phillipines they did not really dilute your guys blood-line where as they did in what is now Latin America because the Native Indians were very resistent to Converting and also did embrace the Spanish on their land. Which in turn the Spaniards raped and murdered a lot of Native Indians which is why almost every country in latin America is mixed blood of spanish & Indian or Spanish, Indian& african blood. I think filipinos should be proud and embrace the fact that they do not have Spanish blood and have their country back. It's kind of crazy to be proud to have a blood-line of people who came and just invaded your country and have a history of being murderers and rapists to people in other countries. I understand the facsination asians have with european or western features but I wouldn't be proud to claim a country that robbed my country of it's religion and land and than sold the country. It would be one thing if Spain and Hispanic/Latino community claimed filipinos as there own but they don't & it doesn't matter.. I really think filipinos should be proud to be filipino & unless they have a parent that is actually of Spanish or latin descent directly. They Just should claim.. what they are & be proud of that. Great Blog & you're a great writer.

1:46 PM  
Blogger Jennifer's Thoughts... said...

I love your blog & think that you are a great writer. This is a REALLY big problem with filipinos in Hawaii.. they want to consider themselves hispanic & asian or say that they are filipino & spanish because of their last names & the Spanish rule over the phillipines. I'm not Filipino.. but I'm married to a Filipino man & there is so much confusion over his last name and what he is because he does not look like typical asian but he doesn't really resemble a latino except someone from the Dominican Republic or Nicaragua or something. But He doesn't want to get into a whole discussion about it and he will usually tell people that is Filipino, Spanish & Chinese. That's also what his mom considers herself-- but I don't think that it's accurate. And I would always tell him.. you're not Spanish unless you know for sure there is someone in your family that has spanish ancestry.. like your mom, dad or grandparents. I been researching for a while why filipinos are not considered hispanic or latino and told him & now I know too. Due to the 'blood' & also Spanish not being spoken as a native tongue. It's crazy cause a lot of people from Latin American Countries other than Spain.. do not call themselves Spanish they claim the country that they are and a lot are not thrilled to have a spanish bloodline due to the history and the rape of their women and pillage of their culture. I understand filipinos just like other asians love european & western culture and esp because Spain was in control of phillipines and definitely seemed to treat filipinos a lot better than they did the Native Indians of what is now Latin America. Filipinos should be proud they have their identity back for the most part and their country & just claim Filipino which is what they are unless they have parents who are of spanish descent or grandparents. They actually got a way better deal.. than the people who are deemed hispanic/latino today.. because their blood was mixed in a very terrible way & have to identify with the latin culture with only small traces of their actual heritage because it was stripped from them.

2:00 PM  
Blogger Spongebob Club! said...

Ummm wtf are you talking about? You get over yourself and think about your nation's business! You are not a Filipino that's why you are saying things about that to us - YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS BECAUSE IT'S NOT YOUR BUSINESS.
Back in the medivial period, there was a time the Spanish people wants to have a bigger colony so they would fight other countries and try to get them on their colony so they would have a bigger colonial -
The Philippines - the place where all Filipinos used to speak Spanish and Latin / the Filipinos in old days used to have darker brown skin and kinky hair but now 78% of them our now mestizos and have Spanish surnames.
Just like me --- my father's last name is Villena(Spanish grandfather) and my mother's is - Rey which gives me a descent/blood Spanish or Spanish.

My skin is white and when I was a baby, people thought I was adopted because I have bluish grey eyes and have really white skin.

11:46 PM  
Blogger itzzzchloe said...

Hahaha it cracks me up when you say "a 'hilaw na pilosopo"... I always do enjoy filipino "Pinoy" jokes. Anyways, i like how you pointed out "Simply put, it’s Filipinos being racist. We Filipinos call it “The Colonial Mentality” – that everything foreign, Western, from the Global North (to borrow a Development Studies word) is always better." that is definitely true to most Filipinos, especially when they are already in a Foreign country. I have an uncle who became an australian citizen, and every time he gets asked what nationality he got, he never say that he is filipino.

3:34 AM  
Blogger StrayDog said...

chloe,

I dunno... what your Uncle does (saying he's Australian when asked of his Nationality) is not bad in my books. It is true after all, isn't it?

For me, there is a distinction between Nationality and Ethnicity.

I too say Canadian when asked of Nationality because it's true; Nationality means citizenship. And as a loyal Canadian - matured to adulthood in here, joined the Canadian Armed forces, did post secondary institution, and regularly vote and participate in most civic events.... well, I'll have to say, I am Canadian. No ifs and or buts.

Sometimes I might feel the need to tack on "But I was born in the Philippines" or "My ancestry is from the Philippines" in respect of a past I spent in the Philippines, and this heritage/ethnicity I have - a past I cannot forget, and an ethnicity I can't ignore.

Still, if we're talking loyalties: Whilst I do have the utmost respect and loyalty to my heritage, if we're talking dying and fighting for a country - in that theoretical world of a world war, it would have to be Canada. That is indeed the reason why I had no qualms doing a bit of time in the Canadian Army, as I mentioned.

It is home to me by now and it has been good to me.

R.

9:13 AM  
Blogger itzzzchloe said...

R, I like it when you said " Whilst I do have the utmost respect and loyalty to my heritage"... it's good to know Filipinos who never forget where they came from. Enjoyed reading your blogs. :)

6:50 AM  
Blogger David said...

I hate this too. Many Filipinos were/are misinformed about their roots. Such discourse still confuses our people nowadays. I would disagree that it rooted from colonial mentality. Our pre-Hispanic ancestors(Malay brown or lighter stock) were already having racial issues towards the Aetas, the negritos which is still an issue among our Malay & Indonesian neighbors. What colonialism did, it magnified such phenomena. Although we did experience such events in Hispanoamérica, it never affected the whole population because we were diverse, we were scattered and divided according to beliefs, ethnic supremacy and language. Unlike the Aztecs, Mayans, Incas; they lived in organized metropolis with populations reaching from thousands to millions making annihilation much easier for the conquistadors in the form of.. small pox and other European diseases. There is a confusion of 'race' and 'culture.' Filipinos often overlap the dichotomy. Maybe because they are unable to explain why they carry Hispanic names, have Asian physical attributes, and speak a native language seasoned with Spanish words. What is definite is that we both have pre-Hispanic and Hispanic heritage like mexicanos, peruanos, venezolanos, chilenos, nicaraguenses do. These peoples wondered what has become to the Filipinos. Why so dissociated from their Hispanic heritage? OR for some, why dissociated from their pre-Hispanic heritage? We should love both. We should love the Singkil and the Cariñosa. It made us different among our Asian neighbors. 'Hispanicity' and 'Spanish' is often used interchangeably. It may be derived from the latter but these are 2 different things and typical Filipinos don't know this. Spanish is basically European while Hispanicity isn't. Hispanicity is a mixture of native, indigenous with Spanish. The indigenous portion of our Hispanicity is derived from Malay/Austronesian & Chinese cultures while the West Indies has pre-Columbian (Aztec, Inca, Mayan etc.) and African. Anyway a study is currently underway by Universidad Complutense de Madrid (our national hero's Alma Mater)about the Filipinos' genetic stock. The initial results was presented in Manila last month and it yielded no trace of European markers.. yet. So may pag-asa pa ang mga feeling kastila.. Hahaha. Ours wasn't pure. MESTIZAJE already happened before the Spaniards came. There is no such thing as a Filipino race. This a proof that people were never isolated. I'm Filipino and that's it. I don't have 'la sangre mestiza.' Just 'Filipino' fits for me.

10:34 PM  
Blogger David said...

Hating that Fil-Hispanic heritage would make our unique, rich cultural historiography incomplete that also molded us to become what we are today. La Hispanidad—the 4 LAs: la cultura, la historia, la religión & la lengua Although Spanish ceased to be the co-official language in 1973 and ceased to be spoken in mainstream Filipino society it doesn't nullify our strong Hispanic heritage. We still got cultura, historia & religión though. =)

11:24 PM  
Blogger StrayDog said...

Thanks for the comment David!

9:13 AM  
Blogger Hawk said...

Your blog post, while well thought out, fails to consider a few things.

1) Even within Latin America, there are countries with just as little Spanish mixing as the Philippines (I'm thinking of Bolivia and El Salvador). Do you also tell Salvadorans and Bolivians that they are not Spanish?

2) This doesn't even consider some countries in the Caribbean, which are also Spanish but the people definitely aren't as mixed as some other countries (Dominican Republic and Trinidad & Tobago come to mind). Many people do make similar arguments as your about people from those countries, but that doesn't make them right.

It's not called Latin America because of how Spaniard it is....it's because of the culture, as well as the language (and Tagalog has plenty of Spanish loan-words). If we were judging things based on how Spaniard places are, then only Spain should call itself Spanish, or maybe somewhere with a lot of European heritage like Columbia.

My advice - don't deny your culture & heritage. Embrace the Philippines' unique place in the world. There's not really any other place like it (although Guam has a lot in common with it).

2:25 PM  
Blogger StrayDog said...

Hawk,

I thank you for your post:

-In response to point #1

Not knowing any El Savadorians (?? is that how they're called?) nor Bolivians, I doubt I will ever encounter this dilemma.

However, it has been my experience, that Latin Americans name the country they are from first and foremost. Very few tack on the place of their colonial origins unless they were very recent and VERY CERTAIN (ie. First or Second Generation migrants)- or an obvious visible minority/ethno cultural group (ie. The Japanese in Peru, Germans in Argentina and Rural Brazil, the children of expatriates everywhere etc.etc.).

I emphasize "Very Certain" because that has been the point of this post all along. Only Filipinos say "I'm Spanish" with outright certainty despite not having direct proof, and if they do, is it really recent enough to matter?

In the end - and I reiterate myself - I don't care so much for what people consider themselves as much I care for the racist implications of such boasts/claims coming from Filipinos. Read between the lines and the people who do this are privileging Western blood and heritage over the Asian one.


-in response to point #2.

I must confess once again, that despite living in multicultural Canada, I don't have much direct encounters with individuals from the Caribbean.

I have however attended many a Caribbean cultural event here in Calgary, and yes, they do seem to be proud of their African Heritage despite not having set foot in the continent and despite not having their lineage traceable by any more than a few generations.

In fact, that is exactly another point I wish to make and what makes the black populations of the Caribbean all the more commendable is that they fully embrace the African side of their creole heritage. The same, unfortunately cannot be said of Filipinos who so readily proclaim "I'm Spanish".

Look, your advice? Not really needed. I'm not one of those deniers of Philippine history nor am I a Spanish hater. I am however, a hater of ill logic, scant evidence, and racism - overt, implied, or otherwise.

Sincerely,

Randy

12:13 PM  
Blogger srtbaste said...

Lol. I would say most people would say they have "part-Spanish" ancestry because they actually do. Some points you should consider:

1 - "part-Spanish" doesn't mean the ultra-white like the Ayalas of PH society. You're also talking about Latin American Mestizos (an un-accounted for statistic) that are mixed themselves. There is a reason why Filipinos are often mistaken for Mexicans in the United States. :)

2 - Take note that Spain itself is mixed race with Northerners more White and Southerners (Andalucia) more Arab looking.

3 - Don't tell me you believe that ultra racist - Malay Race idea. Check the faces of your facebook friends. :P

4 - Can you remember your Genetics class? Dominant and Recessive genes. It will help you understand it more. :)

10:37 AM  
Blogger J.Ortega said...

@Hawk: Its the same reason Latin Americans hate to be called Hispanic coz aside from the fact that not all of them are direct descendants of the Conquistadores, the term also meant just acknowledging the Spanish side while ignoring the Native side. However comparing it to the Philippines, Latin American culture is mostly Hispanic plus Spanish is spoken as a native language. Tagalog, Cebuano or Chavacano may have plenty of Spanish loanwords however those aren't Spanish and are belong to the Austronesian language family. So you can't say Tagalog is a romance language to be considered Latin. In fact Spanish has more similarities to English than Tagalog and yet you don't consider English as a romance language either.

@srtbaste: An average Filipino looks nowhere near an average Mexican (mestizo). The reason why Filipinos are often mistaken for Mexicans in the US is not because of the "Spanish" connection but because of:
1. Ignorance
2. Most Mexican immigrants in the US are of either pure or predominantly Amerindian blood. We all know well that Native Americans have ancestral roots to Asia.
3. In the eyes of the White Americans, brown skin + dark brown to black hair + a Spanish sounding accent = Mexican

And this applies not only to Filipinos but to other Southeast Asians as well. Cambodians, Thais are also mistaken for Mexicans as well.

8:40 AM  
Blogger Our Lady of Fatima - The Pilgrim said...

YOU SAY: Admittedly, I did slam people who don't look the part claiming to be Spanish. However, that is a lesser issue than proof. If all the proof you have is a name and a hunch. Then you shouldn't be making bets on that assumed Spanish heritage.

I SAY: I understand that you are trying to learn genography here. But your rant about Filipinos claiming to be of Spanish heritage is far fetched. First, they do not lie about it. Because that is their heritage. If you look back at where your great great grandparents came from you would understand the heritage of your family. It is the customs, traditions, and ways that people believe and is handed down from generation to generation. Now, you stick to your genography but your examples are clearly out of touch because it is mainly a cultural thing. For mor than 300 years, the Philippines has been under the Spanish rule. There is no way you can erase that from the subconscous of the Filipino culture. That is what we have become, and that is who we are.

So, when a Filipino claims that he is of Spanish Heritage, he is CORRECT! So, STOP telling them to stop claiming it. The name Philiippines itself is from Spain. You cannot change that. It's more than a name. As Shakespeare said, ""What's in a name? That which we call a rose By any other name would smell as sweet." Forget about the looks! You claim to be Canadian, because you think like Canadian. But your are still Filipino whether you take a Philippines passport or not. Our claiming of Filipino-Spanish name in the mid-19th century is just a one of the many fragments of our claming of the Spanish heritage and culture. Ever wonder why in the Filipino language there is no translation to call a proper name or a kitchen utensil, etc. in a Filipino word but Spanish? Precisely because we are Spanish but not necessarily Spaniards. Now, get back to your Genography with that.

Since you mentioned about typical Filipino and Christianisation of names here, you just missed a very important reference for your "paper", that is, The Catálogo alfabético de apellidos (English: Alphabetical Catalog of Surnames, Tagalog: Alpabetikong Katalogo ng mga Apelyido or Katitikang Talaan ng mga Pangalang angkan) is a book of surnames published in the Philippines and other islands of Spanish East Indies in the mid-19th century. This was in response to a Spanish colonial decree establishing the distribution of Spanish family names among the inhabitants of the Philippines who did not have a prior surname. The book was created after Spanish Governor General Narciso Clavería y Zaldúa issued a decree on November 21, 1849.


YOU SAY: In the eyes of the White Americans, brown skin + dark brown to black hair + a Spanish sounding accent = Mexican

I SAY: NOT TRUE! Those White Americans you mentioned are Ignorant Americans. Plain and Simple. Filipinos are known all over the world, wherever you go. You cannot hide it. They will know you are a Filipino. Even if you were born and raised in Canada or elsewhere and speak the native language. People will still ask you where are you from originally.


YOU SAY: I'm not one of those deniers of Philippine history nor am I a Spanish hater. I am however, a hater of ill logic, scant evidence, and racism - overt, implied, or otherwise.

I SAY: Let me ask you one simple question in your claim of being a hater of ill-logic, scant evidence, and racism: How did you gather your evidence in polling Filipinos you have met? Was it even scientific? I doubt it.

11:40 PM  
Blogger churtie said...

Hindi mo alam kung ano nangyari sa pinas nung nasakop ng españa.. It's not mere converting to christianity. Kaya mayroon spanish surnames ang mga pinoy.. Hey! Impossible na walang marriage na naganap ng mga panahon na yun.. I understand na there are pinoys bragging that "I'm spanish"... what's so irritating about that? With or without "spanish blood" the hell you care and be affected.. If they brag it just let them boast it. Hindi naman kelangan sau ng bawat tao na makakausap mo na magexplain kung bakit nasabi nila na "I'm spanish" just to satisfy your "I need proof" attitude.. I mean, dude, not all pinoys nagboast din ng ganun.. I'm a filipino though my father is spanish and my mom is spanish/filipino...

2:19 AM  
Blogger Kevin Baeten said...

Don't dude ... i'm also a filipino and my last name is also villena ... just read the history of the philipines i assure you , you are a filipino saying you have spanish blood is saying i'm not proud of being a filipino ... and green eye ? Dude please stop making a fool out of yourself behind your screen you have dark eyes black hair big nose brown skin and vagina eyes... i call it vagina eyes because if you rope your eyes it gets also wet xD and baeten is the name of my step father who is belgian :)

5:58 AM  
Blogger Kevin Baeten said...

Just like me --- my father's last name is Villena(Spanish grandfather) and my mother's is - Rey which gives me a descent/blood Spanish or Spanish.

My skin is white and when I was a baby, people thought I was adopted because I have bluish grey eyes and have really white skin.

Do you have also blond hair my filipino brada ? No no c'mon just stop it xD

6:24 AM  
OpenID Reney said...

Fucking retarded filipinos claiming spanish they are spanish.yeah its only imbedded in the old colonial churches along I. The philippi es, some of the food , the damn surnames that they have, the culture, yea that's probably why many filipino claim it so what ? Spanish blood so fucking what prick his finger and prove to him that he isnt if it I such a big deal to you.its so stupid to even post such absurd shit because one person doesn't like what people think.it so messed up. That chamorros and samoans and people from oceana islanders say were not islanders like them, when we share the same austronesean language patterns, its messed up that we talk this language and add spanish to it.With your pretty thorough research on what we are being malay haplo mitro bullshit research on your hate on what we claim to be on this post.this is obe proud moreno filipino that claims filipino not asian not spanish and not islander, I think we as a people have earned that right.I can understand that we don't look hispanic we don't look aryan or don't have colored eyes, our blood would dominate anyway mestizos would have brown eyes light skin with our face and our eyes.you my friend must realize we claim our culture which is latin and native souled, so if you must hate what we claim then your point is made by your such thorough post,and have made us your conversation piece to the world on your "hatred" on what a person claims.wierdo in my book and believe me its a large book.

2:30 PM  
Blogger StrayDog said...

Sorry if it came off like hate, but I wasn't hating. Not every criticism is based on hate. Sometimes - oftentimes - it is based on love. I love Filipinos so much, I would rather see us claim ourselves as just Filipino. Sure, the genetic title of "Filipino" is losing meaning in this multinational world where the diaspora (which I am a part of) is so prone to marry interracially.

...which then brings me to another point.

In a world where interracial marriages are not at all uncommon, what shenanigans your great-grandparents did with the colonial rulers carry little weight. That is something I have come across all this time living abroad: Claiming to be a hyphenated something from generations ago just sounds downright foolish. And don't you dare accuse me of biased, because I too laugh when white people go "I'm German French Italian", when they really mean it back from the Gallic invasions.

Lastly, I am not actually the first to point this out. Rizal did it very well in both Noli and El Fili. Have you forgotten our highschool reading? Doctora Doña Victorina de los Reyes de Espadaña - Jose Rizal's self hating, hair straightening, dark skin hiding, thick white foundation makeup wearing, socialite international cultural dilletante.

Please, read this:

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/132461/jose-rizal%E2%80%99s-dona-victorina-as-a-lesson-on-citizenship

12:14 AM  
Blogger StrayDog said...

PS.

And if people only hyphenated their Spanish Ancestry properly, ie. "I'm Spanish-Filipino", then fine, you probably are. I'll take that at face value.

But to say flat out that you're Spanish despite having grown in the Philippines, are unable to speak Spanish, and canNOT trace back your ancestry to 'your' motherland of Spain like the 'true' Spanish Filipino clans (you know the ones, I won't name them, but they're powerful and influential), then I'm sorry... the claim just doesn't carry any weight.

And in the end, MY main quarrel with this "colonial mentality" is the same as Rizal's; people use it to cover up their inferiority complex of being "Indio" - to borrow that antiquated colonial term used by the Spanish against us. Rather than be insulted at the racism of those who mock our native roots, we'd rather identify with the oppressors, even faking/pretending a heritage that may not exist, or perhaps emphasizing one that is long gone and... so diluted it shouldn't matter.

3:13 PM  
Blogger StrayDog said...

"Internalized Racism" !! That's the word I was looking for.

According to this page, internalized racism goes something like this:
"In a society where racial prejudice thrives in politics, communities, institutions and popular culture, it’s difficult for racial minorities to avoid absorbing the racist messages that constantly bombard them. Thus, even people of color sometimes adopt a white supremacist mindset that results in self-hatred and hatred of their respective racial group. Minorities suffering from internalized racism, for example, may loathe the physical characteristics that make them racially distinct such as skin color, hair texture or eye shape. Others may stereotype those from their racial group and refuse to associate with them. And some may outright identify as white."

BAM! That's little lesson is brought to you by African-American race politics.

3:17 PM  
Blogger StrayDog said...

Forgot the link:

http://racerelations.about.com/od/understandingrac1/a/internalizedracism.htm

3:19 PM  
Blogger Aljhon Matias said...

I just love how you make this post.. I tend to encounter many filipinos, my fellow, like that..self claimed spanish ancestry and trying hard to be one..Fact is that they their to boast
1. Philippines elite group are spaniards apart from chinese, making them boast as if they originated from influential being, as coated"alta-sociedad" mentality.
2. Filipinos being discriminated by race, tend to use colonial mentality, saying like"hey we are hispanized and we have beautiful race too",, something like that..
3. Many beautiful models, actors, beauty queens are from latin race(even so here in philippines which has direct cucasian lineage as stated in this blog), so since in order for them too belong in that group, they tend to say"hey we are latins too, colonized by spaniards 300 years" see comments in youtube, its up for you to find.
----to all self proclaimed spaniards there, love your race, if you still have have colonial mentality, its time for you to be free..Dont be controlled by the history, and your insecurities for spanish people, or whites, be controlled by your dream as a human desiring to be happy and have freedom..

7:28 PM  
Blogger alan brito said...

Wala ka alam.. Mga dugyot lang ang ipinagmamalaki na may dugo silang espanyol..kung may batas lang na nagsasabi na pwedeng pampalit ang etnicity sa nationality ginawa ko na.

12:22 PM  
Blogger alan brito said...

You dont know phil history.

12:26 PM  
Blogger StrayDog said...

Hi,


Sabi mo: "Wala ka alam.. Mga dugyot lang ang ipinagmamalaki na may dugo silang espanyol..kung may batas lang na nagsasabi na pwedeng pampalit ang etnicity sa nationality ginawa ko na."

Hindi ko dine-deny na wala man lang ni isang Pilipino ang may dugong Espanyol - dahil sa totoo lang, marami nga din ang nalahian ng tunay. Yun nga lang, parang mas marami ang nagmamayabang na may lahi silang Kastila kaysa sa aktual na may lahi talaga.

Tama ka! Ethnicity is different from Nationality. Yun nga lang, kung diluted na yung ethnicity mo, ay wala ka na sigurong rason na sabihing "I'm Spanish" - na para bang pinapatunog mo na 'Puro' ka pa rin. "I'm PART Spanish", pwede pa.

Which then brings me to the next point: Most Filipinos don't know their own history enough! The miscegenation classifications in the Philippines were VERY particular about it all. From Peninsulares - INsulares - to Mestizo de Espanyol... Sobrang TINDI ang classification noon. Ewan ko ba kung bakit itong mga self proclaimed na "part" spanish ay ang lakas ng loob na mag claim na "I'm Spanish", akala mo puro na tuloy. Kung Dalhin mo sila sa noong unang panahon at i-proclaim nila yung pagka Spanish nila ay pusta ko, pagtawanan pa sila.

Last point, at WHOLE POINT ng aking orihinal na talumpati (na nilinis ko at ginawang mala essay at ni-post dito): Yung pag ba bandera nitong ibang Pinoy na self proclaimed Spanish ay proof ng ating masalimuot na historya. Ang pagyayabang ng isang tao na mayroon daw silang dugong pagkabanyaga ay may pagka 'racist' kung tutuusin. Tila gusto nilang palabasin na sila ay dapat mas may karapatan, kapangyarihan, kagandahan atbp. - ganun nga naman noong unang panahon, diba? Kung may dugo kang Espanyol, mas nakatataas ka, diba?

Salamat sa pag basa.

12:10 AM  
Blogger StrayDog said...

PS. I re-read what I wrote and you're right: I was kind of hinting that ethnicity equals nationality. As though I were saying "if you're a Filipino National, then you cannot claim to be Spanish, even if you have it in your blood." It does sound like that's what I'm saying, isn't it?

But I'm not re-writing that now because that's my "talumpati" from long ago - it would be cheating to change it now.


However, let me explain myself further, in more unequivocal terms this time: It is my suspicion that of the Filipinos who claim to have Spanish ancestry, far FEWER ACTUALLY do! THEY are the ones who are mixing up their Hispanized culture/name/tradition as evidence of Spanish heritage. Not me. I KNOW that there is a difference between ethnicity and nationality - hell, I for one fall into that... Philippine born Canadian - the whole point of this blog, after all.

12:58 AM  
Blogger JD M said...

Just embrace your Chinese-Spanish-Filipino-Austronesian heritage...The philippines has always been a melting pot long before the US or Canada came into existence. We are who we are. To hell with those nationalists.

11:33 AM  
Blogger MAB1969 said...

Nice article and I particularly appreciated your story about tracing your genetic ancestry because it basically deflates the notion of "noble bloodlines" when you consider the rather short and now non-existent "Spanish Colonial Empire". As for Filipinos claiming Spanish ancestry I can attest as a Catholic school student in Southern California encountering a majority of Filipinos who considered themselves Spanish. I was shocked by their claim but they were insistent and curiously enough used that story about a great-grandfather being a "pure blood Spaniard". As I have gotten older I've befriended Filipinos who don't make such claims so I don't know if it's subset of Filipinos within the diaspora Filipino populace or just an idea that younger Filipinos embrace but later drop as bigger life issues take precedence.

2:22 PM  
Blogger StrayDog said...

thanks for the comment.

"As I have gotten older I've befriended Filipinos who don't make such claims so I don't know if it's subset of Filipinos within the diaspora Filipino populace or just an idea that younger Filipinos embrace but later drop as bigger life issues take precedence."


Interesting. I suppose that was my story too. Like I said, during my youth, I heard a lot that we definitely "had" Spanish ancestry, so much so, that I absorbed the belief and repeated it myself. But as I got older, I got to reading actual historical accounts instead of mere hearsay, and then even put my own family's claim on the line by having it tested scientifically - which is NOT without its drawbacks, mind you, but at least I have taken more initiative than the average Pinoy who makes "I'm Spanish claims" - I now have a better appreciation for how the whole mindset of the Filipino who claims to be Spanish based on poor syllogism works. (I'm Filipino. The Philippines was colonized by Spain. I therefore must have Spanish blood!)

What I ultimately learned: It's more culture than anything.

And I suppose the longer Filipinos stayed away from classist, racist, and the Philippines' "White Privileging Tendencies" the less it mattered to claim, fake, or pretend that you have the blood of Non-Filipinos.

1:06 AM  
Blogger LightTalk said...

Everytime I stumble on a blog criticizing Filipinos, i know behind this is an unhappy chinese man. See its like this, their parents killed all the baby children. So now they reach to other countries for wife material... they see filipinas, fall in love, gets rejected so now all they do is post hate against filipinos . They want filipinas to think that chinese culture, heritage and blood is cool, cooler than the spaniards' whites, etc.. Their competition is not chinese. what can i say? Everyone wants a filipina wife with their good nature and happy disposition.

News flash for you chinese guy, you will never get a wife by insulting a woman, you get a woman by being nice to her and her family.

Intiende?

5:22 AM  
Blogger StrayDog said...

Ako ba'ng author ang kausap mo?

Pasensya na, pero paki basa naman lahat ng post at intindihin na mabuti bago mag-comment.

Tagalugin ko na para makuha mo, please.

Ako'y isang Pinoy na isinilang sa Pilipinas. Mula sa pagkabata, akin nang kinamulatan na (halos) lahat ng Pilipino ay nagke-claim na sila ay Espanggol. Maski ako sinakyan ko na rin, dahil nga naman "cool" ka kapag may lahi kang Europeo.

Ngunit noong ako'y lumipat sa Canada, ako'y naimpluwensiyahan ng pilosopiya na walang pakialam kung saan ka galing. Lahat ng tao, lahat ng lahi, pantay pantay. Isa pa, sa hilig ng aking pagbabasa, aking natuklasan na NAPAKA-DALANG, NAPAKA UNTI, pala ng Pinoy na TUNAY na NALAHIAN ng Kastila noong araw.

Akin tuloy sinikap na madiskubre kung ano ang katotohanan sa isang linya (inaamin ko, isang linya lang naman... sa Tatay ng Tatay ng Tatay ko, more specifically)

Sa pamamagitan ng siyensa, ay aking na siyasat na ako pala ay may lahing Intsik. Akalin mo ba naman! Espanggol ng Espanggol ang ninuno ko, yun palay mestizon intsik ang isang linya ko!

Hindi ito kagulat kulat, sapagkat ang presidento nyo ngayon ay may lahing intsik, kasama na rin ang maraming negosyante na asenso sa P'inas.

So, ano ngayon ang natuklasan ko? Intsik ba ako?

Aba, HINDI! Walang pagbabago ang buhay ko. Ako pa rin ay isang isinilang na Pinoy sa Pilipinas, na siyang lumipat sa Canada noong ako'y bata pa (pero marunong parin magtagalog. Ooooo ha! Asteeg).

Ang sa akin lang naman: Tama na yung pagkukunwaring may lahing banyaga. Kung Pinoy ka. Pinoy na lang ang sabihin mo. Wag na yung sari sari pang "I'm Spanish" na eklat, para bang ikinahihiya ang pagkakaroon ng kulay.

O sige, hanggang dito na lang.

Salamat sa pagbasa....

AY! TEKA. Hindi mo nga pala binasa.



5:43 AM  
Blogger StrayDog said...

TRANSLATION:

You talking to me, the author?

I'm sorry, but, could you please read everything and try to understand the point being made before commenting?

You are SO FAR off base I don't even know where to start.

I am a Philippine-born Filipino. Pinoy through and through. Ever since childhood, I have been exposed to the practice that (almost) all Filipinos claim that they have Spanish origins. Even I believed this, because after all, it's "cool" to be of European ancestry in the Philippines where there is HUGE colonial mentality.

But then I moved to Canada, where I started getting influenced by a philosophy that does not care for where you came from. Everyone, whatever their race, are all equal here in Canada. Another thing, with my love for reading, I discovered that, VERY FEW Filipinos were truly the result of mixed parentage with the Spanish back in the day.

I then tried to ascertain the true background of my own lineage (which, as the case with the Nat Geo thing, is only ONE line. My Dad's Dad's Dad, more specifically).

Using Science, I then discovered that I, apparently, am of Chinese origins. Holy! Imagine that! My ancestors keep claiming Spanish Mestizo... turns out, I'm more of the Chinese mestizo kind.

I guess this is not all too surprising, since the current Philippine President (Aquino III) has Chinese roots, along with many other Chinese businessmen in the Philippines. The Chinese are entrenched in Philippine culture.

But then I wonder: Am I really Chinese?

NO! None of these change the fact that I was born Filipino in the Philippines, who then later moved to Canada, so if I'm going to hyphenate, I only do so as Filipino-Canadian nowadays. (yet, I can still speak Tagalog. I'm awesome).

It is just my position all this time that: PLEASE STOP with pretending to have foreign (more specifically, European) blood. If you're Filipino, just say, "I'm Filipino". Enough with hyphenating with other things you HAVE NO connection to. If you haven't got relatives in Spain with whom you can trace your links to, then you probably shouldn't say you're Spanish. Simple as that. Stop being ashamed of your Filipino background. I ain't! And apparently, I'm not even all that Filipino!

In closing, I thank you for reading.

Wait! Did you actually read the post?? I honestly can't tell.

6:03 AM  
Blogger StrayDog said...

Click here for a post made by someone who goes by "LightTalk"

I'm sorry everyone.

I'm not really that snobbish/dismissive/uppity when it comes to responders, repliers, and other critics. Just please PLEASE, engage the post on a level that would do it justice. Read, understand, and then make a point that's at least related to it. In fact, I don't even care if you digress, put me down, or tear apart everything I said. Just make sure you understood what I was trying to say!

It's the morning after I responded to this:

"Everytime I stumble on a blog criticizing Filipinos, i know behind this is an unhappy chinese man. See its like this, their parents killed all the baby children. So now they reach to other countries for wife material... they see filipinas, fall in love, gets rejected so now all they do is post hate against filipinos . They want filipinas to think that chinese culture, heritage and blood is cool, cooler than the spaniards' whites, etc.. Their competition is not chinese. what can i say? Everyone wants a filipina wife with their good nature and happy disposition.

News flash for you chinese guy, you will never get a wife by insulting a woman, you get a woman by being nice to her and her family.

Intiende?"




...and I still don't know what the fuck to say. I've been re-reading everything I've written as well as every other reply that has been here, and... I don't know where he got the "Chinese Guy" from China thing from. WTF?! Jesus, This is like the worst case of failing to comprehend what the fuck was written! It's bind mogglingly insane!

12:42 AM  
Blogger John Gabriel said...

I'm actually one of those people you are describing, and funny enough, I'm not gonna change my mind just because you're telling me that you "less of a filipino" than the others and yet you claim you are one. Filipino's are told to have Spanish ancestry, from their early bloodlines. Some people don't inherit the "white skin" or "sharp nose", which automatically makes them a full on Filipino. People usually don't believe that I have Spanish ancestry because the usual skin colour they see of me is dark brown. To be frank, I'm not dark brown because it's my natural colour, I'm dark brown because areas not hidden by clothing are usually tanned by the sun. Whenever I take my shirt off, there is a clear sign of epic tan lines in my body, the covered area being the non-tanned ones. It's often funny how people like you would say that someone like me doesn't have a Spanish ancestry because of my looks and my skin colour. My nose is big, flat too, not because it was made that way, but because I'm fat. In my family, those who inherited my Dad's genes have this nose whenever they get large, but it was a pattern between me and my younger sister because when we get thin, it becomes noticeably sharp, but when fat, it becomes large. I bet you if you ever see me you'd be like "You're no where near Spanish bloodline" but in all honesty, I can strongly and proudly say I am. To begin with my Great Grandparents in my Father's side are both Spaniards, and I have no doubts because I've seen them before. Meanwhile on my mother's side, they're mostly on the Filipino side, but the irony is that my Mum's nose is sharper than my Dad's, even though he is of Spanish ancestry. This just goes to show that people sometimes have their genes varied, so although they didn't inherit the Spanish genes, they still have it in their bloodline, much like myself. People have told me countless times that if I lost weight, I wouldn't look anything like I am now, because my skin will probably get lighter as it used to be, my nose will become smaller and sharper, and most of all my face shape will be recognized. Yes, my face shape. People notice it sometimes whenever I smile, they say that my face shape isn't like typical filipino's, but it's not easily noticeable because I am after all fat.

What I'm trying to say is, you are claiming that people shouldn't talk about their Spanish ancestry just because they don't have the genes or features, they should embrace their Filipinoness because of their features. Well sometimes there are people like me, my skin is bloody well light, yet because of tanning it's not noticeable, but at the end of the day I know I've got them bloody genes because my sole being is the proof of it, and photos of my Great Grandparents are also a bigger proof, so I can't really deny it now can I?

Let people be, if they want to say they've got Spanish ancestry, let them be. They just might surprise you with what they've really got hidden in them.

9:11 PM  
Blogger John Gabriel said...

I'm actually one of those people you are describing, and funny enough, I'm not gonna change my mind just because you're telling me that you "less of a filipino" than the others and yet you claim you are one. Filipino's are told to have Spanish ancestry, from their early bloodlines. Some people don't inherit the "white skin" or "sharp nose", which automatically makes them a full on Filipino. People usually don't believe that I have Spanish ancestry because the usual skin colour they see of me is dark brown. To be frank, I'm not dark brown because it's my natural colour, I'm dark brown because areas not hidden by clothing are usually tanned by the sun. Whenever I take my shirt off, there is a clear sign of epic tan lines in my body, the covered area being the non-tanned ones. It's often funny how people like you would say that someone like me doesn't have a Spanish ancestry because of my looks and my skin colour. My nose is big, flat too, not because it was made that way, but because I'm fat. In my family, those who inherited my Dad's genes have this nose whenever they get large, but it was a pattern between me and my younger sister because when we get thin, it becomes noticeably sharp, but when fat, it becomes large. I bet you if you ever see me you'd be like "You're no where near Spanish bloodline" but in all honesty, I can strongly and proudly say I am. To begin with my Great Grandparents in my Father's side are both Spaniards, and I have no doubts because I've seen them before. Meanwhile on my mother's side, they're mostly on the Filipino side, but the irony is that my Mum's nose is sharper than my Dad's, even though he is of Spanish ancestry. This just goes to show that people sometimes have their genes varied, so although they didn't inherit the Spanish genes, they still have it in their bloodline, much like myself. People have told me countless times that if I lost weight, I wouldn't look anything like I am now, because my skin will probably get lighter as it used to be, my nose will become smaller and sharper, and most of all my face shape will be recognized. Yes, my face shape. People notice it sometimes whenever I smile, they say that my face shape isn't like typical filipino's, but it's not easily noticeable because I am after all fat.

What I'm trying to say is, you are claiming that people shouldn't talk about their Spanish ancestry just because they don't have the genes or features, they should embrace their Filipinoness because of their features. Well sometimes there are people like me, my skin is bloody well light, yet because of tanning it's not noticeable, but at the end of the day I know I've got them bloody genes because my sole being is the proof of it, and photos of my Great Grandparents are also a bigger proof, so I can't really deny it now can I? And if we're gonna talk about Blood types, the typical asian Blood type would be B. Ironically my Dad being the one to have of Spanish grandparents, has the blood type AB, which shows a mix. My Mum on the other hand doesn't show to have any other ancestries yet her Blood type is O. My blood type is A, my sister and little brother's are AB (from my dad) and my little sister's is O (from my Mum) so as you can see, mine was different from theirs, only inheriting the A type, which could very well explain as to why my skin is whiter than the rest of my siblings.
Anyways long story short, I respect your voice for waking people up and telling them to be proud as Filipino's, but if we already are, are we not allowed to be proud of our differing ancestries? Am I not allowed to be proud of my Spanish decency? Those are the main questions you should ask yourself, are you not allowed to be proud of having Chinese blood?

9:21 PM  
Blogger Stephanie Closson said...

I'm half european (not british/irish) which makes my son a quarter european and the only thing about him is having dark brown hair.instead of black hair and thinner lips. And I know lots of filipinos with brown hair. Other than that he looks straight up asian. REMs with his eyes open. And we know how many children one man can father and that marriage has nothing to do with anything.

11:25 AM  
Blogger Diwani said...

buti nga nalahian ng taga ibang bansa ang mga tao sa pilipinas dahill nabawasan ang pagka itim natin at naging lalung maganda ang anyo ng maraming pilipino.

11:51 PM  
Blogger StrayDog said...

John Gabriel,

Actually, I was not talking about you. You are not the kind of person being discussed here. As you say, you know your great grandparents, you know that you do have Spanish Ancestry and so on and so forth...

This post was a rant against Pinoys who fake the pedigree - those who pretend to have white/Spanish/ or any foreign lineage. Because both the evidence and my suspicions point towards the possibility that more Pinoys pretend to have it than those who ACTUALLY really truly do.

In fact, the post was talking about me myself and I. My Family from both sides are suspected to have Spanish ancestry, so I put one side on the line and proved that it was not necessarily so. This despite the fact that all markers were there: Land, Name, Looks...

But if you do, do have Spanish ancestry, then good for you! ...and I honestly mean that. More than anything, the point I wanted to make with this post (which was adapted from a speech to a group of white people) is how white/foreign/western privilege is very rampant in the Philippines (and perhaps other former colonies). It is such a currency of "cool", status, beauty, and everything else that I feel that anyone who is blind to all this is in some kind of "privilege denial".

Thanks for Sharing, by the way...

_________________


Stephanie Closson,

If you meant to say that marriage was not a requirement to fathering many kids, then you're right! Just because excessive intermarriages did not happen, then it does not necessarily mean that excessive siring of kids between "Spanish Conquerors" and "Native Filipinas" did not happen. It probably did occur a lot! Re; Damaso and Maria Clara.

...which makes me want to touch on another subject: There is a certain discord between how "cool" it is to have Spanish/foreign pedigree in the Philippines, versus the Filipino "traditional values", nationalism, and nativism. For Pinoy conservatism, the traditional marriage and a good family background is important. Bastards are made fun of, and so are those who are ampon (adopted). But wait! Unless they're white! For Pinoy nationalists and nativists, "Pinoy muna" (Filipinos first), as you can see by the bureaucracy that disallows them from owning businesses and other properties (as I understand it at least) but then whites and foreigners are consistently treated better by the service industry, are elevated above all by the arts and entertainment industry, and practically worshipped by the average folk. Manny Pacquiao is celebrated for making a name for Filipinos throughout the world, but is made fun of for his all too native looks (along with his English). Meanwhile, all pinay beauty queens now seem to have foreign pedigree...

It's sooooooo confusing.













12:14 AM  
Blogger StrayDog said...

PS.

John Gabriel, I am not proud of having whatever Chinese "blood" in me because I had nothing to do with it...

In a way, this is related to how this whole Filipino pride for one's lineage does confuse me a bit. If one is so far removed from whatever lineage you're from in that you do not practice any of the culture, beliefs, and quirks to the point that you are unrecognizable to them ( another bet I have is that Pinoys who claim to be "Spanish" would just be labeled as "Filipino" by the Spanish from Spain during the colonial era - miscegenation classifications were very firm back in the day) then, what's the point of proclaiming this foreign lineage at all? By my experience, it is often used to elevate oneself above the common Filipinos. It's like saying, "I'm not Indio, therefore I'm better."


__________________________________________

Also... HOLY CRAP! Talk about encapsulating what I'm trying to say here! This post was made while I was typing my above replies:


"buti nga nalahian ng taga ibang bansa ang mga tao sa pilipinas dahill nabawasan ang pagka itim natin at naging lalung maganda ang anyo ng maraming pilipino."

Translation:

"it's a good thing foreigners inseminated Filipinas (or interbred with Filipinos) because our blackness/ dark skin got diluted int he process which then made Filipinos prettier."



Holy freaking cow, man!

1:18 AM  
Blogger StrayDog said...

Re: Pinoy/Pinay "beauty" vs. Nationality/Nativism

This is the discord I'm talking about:

"It seems like the desire for foreign blood fuels the desire of the pinoy to get away from their aboriginal identity. There seems to be a disconnect between declared values and real values. Pinoys want their cake and eat it too. They want propriety but yet the accepted idea of beauty in this culture has to have some sort of mestiza element to it. Something here does not compute. Proud to be pinoy and live and die with beauty contests yet the culture seems to encourage pinoy blood being “diluted”."

1:32 AM  
Blogger Anthony Rodney Alvior said...

I like your blog. I know that we're so totally mixed up and we're uncertain where do we really came from... And DNA testing is only way to identify our ancestry. I can't claim that I'm Spanish, Indian, Malay, or whatever race I am (unless I have myself tested for my origins)... All I can say is that I am Filipino and I'm proud of it!!

[though, I find it funny that people mistaken me for an Arab or a Turk(ish) and I take it as a joke LOL!!]

8:06 AM  
Blogger Laurent said...

I hail from a country where almost half the population is foreign, many of which are Filipino immigrants and I totally agree with several of your candid and insightful reflections. I have nothing against anyone and I don't mind when the Filipinos here (and elsewhere) incessantly assert that they are part Spanish. However, it does irk me when they do it to imply their superiority and hence, exemption from integration and the right to talk down to others. It takes a great deal of courage for one to discuss the shortcomings of one's race and I salute you for that.

1:11 PM  
Blogger StrayDog said...

Hello Laurent,

Thank you for the comment.

I'm a little confused though about the relationship between "imply(ing) their superiority" and the self imposed "exemption from integration". I guess I just fail to see the relationship? Care to enlighten me, pls?

7:55 AM  
Blogger Nelson Valencia said...

Hello folks. Many Filipino families with Spanish surnames are definitely Filipino-Chinese by origin, not Spanish. They changed their surnames because of their conversion to Catholicism and adoption to Hispanic-European culture.

My surname is Spanish but I admit that my paternal ancestor is a Tagalo-Chinese. I also admit that my great-great-great grandfather married a pure Spaniard or a Spanish mestiza. That's why I have some Hispanic features.

According to race classification, I don't considered myself as a Mestizo. It's definitely Tornatra because I have Malay, Spanish, and Chinese descent. Most of all, I'm an Anglo-Hispanic Asian by heritage.

2:33 PM  
Blogger charlie said...

La mujer quien escribe estas palabras por filipinos es puta. Puta. Hija de zorra.

4:18 AM  
Blogger Andy-Bo-Bandy said...

wow, thanks for the insight! I found this blog because i was searching for a reason that filipinos always call themselves Spanish. If you hashtag #spaniard on instagram, you won't find many REAL spaniards.... You'll find filipinos. Every filipino i have ever known has called themselves Spanish or at the very least told me that they are of "spanish blood" which i found to be a strange statement. No one says "I'm of French blood" or 'Im of Mexican blood'. The only ones that say "blood" seem to be royalty "they come of royal blood."

Anyway, I'm not filipino... My mom is Spanish, born and raised in Madrid. My dad, he's Mexican and half Spanish. His father was spanish and mother Mexican. He grew up both in Mexico and Spain. At any rate, I've found it both interesting and a bit hateful when i hear filipinos refer to themselves as Spanish or when they discover that I'm Spanish, seem to need to go out of the way to tell me that they are Spanish or have Spanish ancestry, when they're very don't or if they did, it was from 300 years ago. I don't feel upset because i think "how dare you think you're spanish". I get upset because i know that it's root is from /racism. They believe it's a privilege to be Spanish. It's not. I lived in the Philippines for a year and the Philippines is a beautiful country and beautiful people. I just wished the people with a rich and colorful background. They should be proud of it. Simply because you have a small amount of Spanish ancestry doesn't make you spanish. Mexicans don't call themselves Spanish. They know they have Spanish ancestry but they will be the first to tell you they are MEXICAN. John Gabriel that posted..... WOW... wether he has spanish ancestry or not, only he knows. But trying to convince me he's white under his tan or his big nose is really because he's fat and when he loses weight, it's a sharp nose... wow, get real! You're filipino! Be proud! Thanks again for your insight. :-)

10:50 AM  
Blogger TotallyFrank Gee said...

Hello all,

I am one of those people born in the Philippines who is proud of and claims Spanish ancestry. There is a well-documented establishment which was started by one of my Spanish great-grandfathers in Luzon in the early to mid-1900s, but the actual details aren't important here. Another of my ancestors was a scientist who was called a "Father of..."-type contributor in his chosen niche. I will not lie and say I am not proud of this.

However, before anyone gets upset with me, understand that I am also very proud of my Filipino heritage and that none of this is a boast - It is simply because my quite dark skin and somewhat European features actually make me look like I am (East) Indian or Pakistani.

I have even heard sari sari storekeepers here in Australia quietly mention the word "bumbai" to themselves when they see me, and then smile and ask, "Oh, do you like our food?" I just take it with good humour. So I have known for a long time that even "my people" don't think I look Filipino. I certainly don't look like I am "totalmente blanco," either.

I sound very Australian, look like I am from Mumbai, but am Filipino. So people ask and I tell them I have Spanish-Filipino heritage.

I like the mix of who I am, but am very aware that I did nothing to get this. It was merely an accident of birth. So I couldn't claim any credit for the way I am, even if I was to do so. Anyway, whatever significance my ancestry might have means very little here where I live and simply makes me another ordinary, Aussie immigrant. There are plenty of us here.

The point I am leading to of course, is to do with Colonial Mentality, which is a term also applied to any former colony around the world. I find it hard to apportion 100% of blame to anyone with this mentality, because it is simply not their complete fault. The root cause or "fault" should be apportioned to whoever set up the colonial society in the Philippines to think like this. My own belief is that as there was no El Dorado of potential riches there, most Spanish emigrants chose the new American world instead. Mestizos abounded there and were to a large part, sadly, second-class citizens , accepted neither by the pure whites, nor the pure natives. Of course in the Philippines, mestizos were comparatively rare and if the Spanish wanted to increase their influence apart from gaining support of the local caciques and datus, they heaped attention on them.

When I visited the USA more than a decade ago, the Latin Americans thought I was one of them. On the same trip, I went to Spain. One lady there was quite rude to me, perhaps because of my appearance, but I do not know for sure. However, a few got VERY excited when they found out I was originally from The Philippines and considered we were "primos."

It is a strange and yet wonderful world.

2:15 PM  
Blogger AD L said...

Very good post.. It is true, filipinos are not spanish in any way, nor are they hispanic or latin, other than borrowing somethings to have favor in the eyes over those that ruled over them or used their island as a port. The king of Spain did not want any mixing of Spanish blood, did not want them to be spanish citizens, and did not teach them spanish. In regards to Mexico, it it was considered New Spain, they were told to mix with indigenous, and to be citizens of new spain. this is why even today filipinos are asian and people of mexico, central and south america are hispanic/latinos.

9:37 AM  
Blogger Marcello Guererro said...

While its true there really are not so many spaniards who came to the philippines unlike southamerican coutries ,1/3 of the philippine population today have varyingt spanish?mexican heritage.In manila spanish/mexican blood has been very diluted due to the influx of chinese there ..filipinos who have been told they have spanish chinese blood is probabaly true..This occur very rampantly in manila that i actually have a video to demonstrate this..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIOcUfbDBc4
That is filipino with spanish chinese heritage..how did i know?look at his grandmother..she resembles a beautiful mestiza with spanish heretage..This is happening in manila as we speak..People in iloilo,Cebu,Zamboangga,and some islets in mindanao specifically dinagat and siargao which i live in people here still have non diluted spanish heriatage that is very apparent..i have proof,i did my own calculation by looking at my brothere,neighbors,classmates and people walking down the street.It always goes to about 25 to 35%..ironic to the 3.5 % of standford..i dunno to be honest..these are the pictures.
My brother:theres 5 of us siblings these two big brother of mine are twins and they exhibit some bit of european admixture ,surprisingly as well as my cousins too..weve been told by my auntie during there reunion in cebu that our grandfather was a spaniard in cebu.i will first show picture of myself.
Myself!hehehe..lastname is esmeralda
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/38948_132000246843782_5049117_n.jpg?oh=28b58f2190837812d4f6887d0630d574&oe=55D2742E&__gda__=1443461973_859b08c6b7f5a0c1ad098b0a6fe2da5e
oNE OV My brother and auties!

https://scontent-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/p206x206/1797533_662711893765326_5880189041137443242_n.jpg?oh=f751bb6c1c373996218b2f108bc22eb5&oe=55DBE49D

2 ov My classmates!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10484558_1444649649135817_3450245280609043987_n.jpg?oh=f74d1de45ba50b930f44c09e02d63ef2&oe=56090E5A&__gda__=1439999280_11a14f88a98914e8b69c2e1ba41ccedc

My bestfriend!hehehe
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10731083_472213612925684_1150624324992126076_n.jpg?oh=181efa16b6e5812b185109a8cada3655&oe=55DC2400&__gda__=1439924617_1554df73b8a1dbee9aa477680ed7cf43

i believe those people are not pure malays but may have some 10 to 20% percent european admixture..I believe 25 to 35% of philippine population have spanish/mexican admixture.i myself was even surprised by my finding ,but if you could visit here specifically in siargao you will see what i mean..Wehen i looked up the net as to how many filipinos really have spanish blood there was the standford test of 3.5% and there was feodor jagoe census which claimed 1/3 of zamboangenyo were of spanish heritage..
When people think of spanish blood they instantly imagine very white looking aquiline nose mexicans who are more than half european heritage,but filipinos with spanish blood have an average 15-20% spanish heretage..I bet those people hasnt actually seen a person that is 20% spanih or 10%spanish ..Its really very hard for me to disagree with you because i may get labeled as a coloinial mentalist,but i took the courage because i have really really strong feelings on my own findinsgs..

3:23 PM  
Blogger Earl Wienke said...

Well 300 years of Spanish rule from both Mexico, and Spain, and only 3% Spanish Blood? No Way!!

You see over 50% Spanish names.

Spanish Blood from Spain alone directly would be higher than 3% after 300 years.

40 years of American control, and you have more than 3% American blood, which in itself is a complete Global mix.

I am an American married to a local in Iloilo. Almost everyone has a Spanish last name here.
This implies that the paternal line hands down the name, from father to children, and the sons passing the last name along.
Spanish bloodlines from Mexico, and Spain are far closer to 40% in hispanic content. Infused with Mexican, Native american, South American, latino groups. This large grouping is then mixed with the Melting pot of Asians, Islanders, and Aboriginal Austrailian/Malay mixes.
A main difference is the Nose. It clearly resembles the Black Australian nose.
There is a certain mix of this black genetics that darkens the skin from other asians.
Spanish skin is a bit darker than other European blood from contact with the Moores, and ancient Muslim control, from Africa.
Many Philippine people look VERY Spanish. With a big flat african nose.And chinese eyes.
You put a fair skinned Philippine in the sun for ten minutes and they are turning black.

Fillapinas are about as mixed in blood as any population can get. Spanish blood is much higher than many want to consider. #00 years of control to get 3% ??? Thats a joke. 300 years of European influence and look at the USA!!!

Lets get real here.

6:25 PM  
Blogger emilializ said...

Hello. I am Canadian too, of Italian descent. I'm actually part Norwegian, Irish and Luxembourgian as well, but if there is any ethnicity I can really lay claim to other than Canadian it's Italian, because I've actually lived in Italy and speak the language more or less fluently.

In any case, regarding Filipinos and Spanish heritage, I wrote this article I will link to here:

http://cynicsunlimited.com/2011/04/09/race-mixing-and-westernization-in-latin-america-and-the-philippines/

In it, I wrote that although Latin America (except Brazil, of course) and the Philippines were both colonized by Spain, Spanish colonization radically transformed the former region and influenced (without dramatically changing the nature of) the latter. For example, other than some isolated Indian tribes, almost everybody in Latin America speaks Spanish as a first language. Spanish on the other hand never took root in the Philippines, even as a lingua franca.

About Filipinos' Spanish ancestry, I would agree that it's in general small, although I'm sure the average Filipino would have somewhat more European ancestry than, barring recent intermarriage, the average Japanese or Korean. One proof: in all my years knowing dozens of Filipinos in Toronto, I've only met one right from the Philippines (as opposed to, say, children born in Canada with one Filipino and one Caucasian parent) with noticeable European ancestry. Of course my experience isn't Gospel, but I think if European ancestry was as widespread in the Philippines as some people believe, you would see far more Filipinos who look European or, at least, mixed (think of Enrique Iglesias, though from what I've heard his mother isn't even pure Filipino; she's from of the relatively rare Spanish mestizo families).

On the other hand, it's safe to say that the Philippines is probably the most Westernized nation - both culturally and genetically - in Asia. The Spanish had much more influence in the Philippines than the Dutch did in Indonesia, for example. In the end, though, the Philippines' original Asian culture was basically left intact even after being colonized by Europeans.

2:50 AM  
Blogger michael vasquez said...

This is such an interesting article to read and perhaps to contemplate.
I just want to share my inner thoughts about being me Filipino and having some Iberian blood at the same time too.

My name is Michael Vasquez and I can stay that I am a 100 percent Filipino. I never question my being Filipino. I was born and raised in Bacolod city, Negros Island. And speaks Hiligaynon, Kinaray-a and Bisaya with ease.

When, I was studying in England, I met a Fil-Spanish woman Regent St, London at the Apple Flagship store.

She was completely look very asian, least very Filipino judging from her name and surname.

So I asked her outright if she is Filipino and she said at face value , IM SPANISH. Maybe she is because I can see that her eyes look different than my brown eyes, it was a bit greenish in colour.

I was wondering why would someone deny what their heritage is ?
But I couldn't be bothered. lol. I respect her being a Spanish person because she says so. Sometimes all we need to do is accept it when we hear it and move on. so I did.

Months passed and I finished my University and I decide England is not for me .I went to settle in Nevada, USA, leaving gloomy and dreary London. No sarcasm intended.

I noticed that Nevada has a lot of Latino populace.
And I one day I was stopped by a hispanic looking guy and asked me something in Spanish. I grasped some words, thank goodness for early learning of some basic spanish, I managed to pulled myself together and answered the pressing question.

The question was? Are you Latino? Haha! and replied hurriedly showing creases on my forehead with a resounding NO. lol.

Then, that day I went to have my medical exams taken afor my Biometrics and there I was looking at different boxes to tick about my race. My race!

I know I can do do this and tick Asian straight away. Because I am bloody one. But there I was momentarily stopped and looked back at the box again that says Latino.Haha .Then it strucked me, made me briefly confused.

My mind was playing up, why not tick latino since my dad is pure spanish and I look one (Both his parents are spanish). Then, I realized that, why make things complicated if everything is simple. I was born and raised in the Philippines, so I am Filipino, therefore I am asian.

There i came to tick the Asian box at last and disregard that I have spanish in me because I dont want make a complicated choice in life. I see it as only black and white.

I am proud being Filipino!



8:12 AM  
Blogger emilializ said...

Regarding the Spanish language in the Philippines, I believe at one time it was a compulsory subject in schools but not anymore. The older Filipinos I know tend to have studied Spanish and speak it somewhat (though almost never as a native language). On the other hand, I think in terms of language, general culture, etc. the Spanish had a greater influence in the Philippines than the Dutch did in Indonesia, for example, or the French in Vietnam.

About Spanish genes in the Philippines, a recent study found that about 5% of Filipinos' genetic make-up stems from Europe, so the Spanish did leave a legacy in the Philippines, although less than in Latin America.

4:44 AM  
Blogger emilializ said...

I wrote my own little essay (in which I mention this site) on this very topic here:

http://cynicsunlimited.com/2015/11/03/whos-hispanic-whos-filipino/

2:23 PM  
Blogger emilializ said...

The situation of Filipinos being 'Spanish' might be a bit like the situation in Goa, a state in Indian. Goa was colonized by Portugal, and many people there have Portuguese last names and are Catholic. However, I am not sure there was a big influx of actual Portuguese blood into Goa. For the speaking part, some older Goans speak Portuguese, but the younger generation would speak English if they want to know a second language. Many of the younger generation also have English first names, along with a Portuguese last name, so you'll meet people with names like 'Shirley Sousa' or 'Russell Rebelo.'

9:08 PM  
Blogger StrayDog said...

Hello Everyone,

I thank you all for the continued interest in this post. I am starting to hate this entry for my having posted it at all, since it has NOTHING to do with my Philippine travels blog, yet it remains my most popular post.

Nonetheless, I'll keep it in here because it has raised too much ire and controversy to simply delete. This, to me, reinforces the post itself: Filipinos are far too conscious about their racial composition for their own good!

You could disprove the facts posted here all you want, but I never claimed being an authority of Philippine racial genetics - simply that I'm going by what research others have said before. If some new findings surface indicating that all Pinoys apparently have Spanish blood (unlikely), I would still stand by my cultural assessment:

"It is very trendy in the Philippines to say that you have some European in you, that you are a product of the Spanish Colonial Era.

Simply put, it’s Filipinos being racist. We Filipinos call it “The Colonial Mentality” – that everything foreign, Western, from the Global North (to borrow a Development Studies word) is always better.

...

Even today, the existing Philippine standards of beauty are still more aligned with light skinned, European features. This is reflected in who gets to be a celebrity, a star: They tend to have direct Caucasian ancestry – though for the most part, a lot of them nowadays are actually repatriated children of the Filipino Diaspora – people with actual Caucasian Ancestry.

...

...to say that you have Spanish Ancestry....In the Filipino context... is a boast, plain and simple"


That, in gist, is what this is all about: A Cultural assessment of the Philippines. How racist, colourist, and hierarchical it can be when it comes to your looks and your racial background.

And yet, no one really focused on those cultural talking points. Everyone got hung up on "Dear Filipinos, Stop Claiming that You're Spanish!" Everyone was super eager to disprove me wrong on my claim, by countering that they - or someone they know - possess real Spanish blood.

I mean, here I am, basically calling out something that is hindi kanaisnais (unpleasant) about Pinoy culture, and everyone practically ignores that point.


I was seriously hoping that my other posts would arouse more reaction, and therefore discussion, but alas... Everyone is way more concerned about their "Spanish Ancestry". Real or imagined, store bought or granted by Vicky Belo, it's really quote moot, to be honest. What I am passing judgement on is how Filipinos have absorbed that information, how they (we) have internalized it, and how then it has made us worse human beings.

I mean all the other post in THIS LIST should have been more infuriating! And yet no one seems to be interested in engaging. Sad.

1:15 AM  
Blogger emilializ said...

I'll post one final link, to an essay about Argentina supposedly being 'White.' Just as you say Filipinos tend to overestimate whatever Spanish or other European ancestry they might have, apparently so do Argentines:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2009/12/how-argentina-became-white/#.VkDnB7erTnA

2:32 AM  
Blogger Aminoethylbenzene Hydrochloride said...

I agree with you. I am filipino and do not claim spanish heritage although people think I do when I tell them the origin of my last name. I then explain that it is techically a slave name... i.e. Spaniards did not brand our ancestors with that last name coz they liked them ... its coz they owned them. The last name was used as a mark of ownership like the way you stick cattle with a hot poker. My ancestors shared the same fate.

I personally know and grew up with friends in manila who were of spanish descent and you obviously see it and they do come from a long line of money. but as for the rest and most of us ... we cannot and should not claim this ... the truth is our ancestors were slaves ... mine included. in fact im thinking of dropping the hispanic last name and changing to a native indonesian one.

12:56 AM  
Blogger emilializ said...

To Aminoethylbenzene Hydrochloride,

I'm just wondering: why would you choose an Indonesian name? Nothing against the idea, just curious.

1:39 AM  
Blogger StrayDog said...

I too wonder why.

I mean, if it's somewhat pretentious to identify with an assumed, imagined, or even a completely fantastic Spanish connection, then I believe it'll be equally presumptuous and imaginary to do a complete about face and assume a name whose cultural significance is lost to me.

For instance, all my names and the names of my extended family may be Spanish sounding. Even though I now know that my patrilineal line (My Father's, Father's Father's... and so on and so forth) is in fact, NOT Spanish. But culturally, that patrilineal line of mine has been Pinoy all this time... which has a LOT of Spanish elements. To turn my back on that would be somewhat of a betrayal.

Plus, I am (or WE Pinoys are, I think) 300 or so years removed from whatever similarity we had with Indonesian language and culture. To assume an Indonesian name (or an approximation of one) would be even more pretentious, I think.

It's a lot like how Blacks in the Americas have come to be known as African-Americans and sometimes even give names to their children that is reminiscent of that. However, I have come to learn that real Africans and recent African Immigrants to the Americas, kind of find it all funny.

Like Trevor Noah, for instance.

No offense, just thinking out loud.

2:37 AM  
Blogger Stevens Happy Universe said...

THIS PERSON IS DUMB THE DEFINITION OF HISPANIC IS really idiotic. So by how we look is how you identify people. So if you saw a person from the Dominican Republic and they look black, you say "There definitely African." The definition of Hispanic is of or relating to Spain. So you can't deny that the country is relating to Spain. Just justified against you and that was evidence that Filipinos are and definite Hispanic and Asian.

5:57 AM  
Blogger StrayDog said...

Was that directed towards me, the author? If so, please read the post again because I don't think you got what this long piece was all about.

First off, you said: "So by how we look is how you identify people"

NO! You seemed to have totally glossed over the fact that I spent a great deal of time pointing out the evidence that there is very little miscegenation in the Philippines, at least not as much as the true Hispanics by widely accepted definition - ie. Latin Americans. So, then and there, if you are asking how I classify people, I do so using science, historical facts, and of course, general consensus. Not by looks.

But if we're talking about looks, then yes, I did call out how some Pinoys have the gall to call themselves Tisoy, despite not looking the part, and especially when "Tisoy" in pop culture IS often popularly used to brand people who at least look the part. Sa Tagalog slang , "feeling" nila, nabulog ng Kastila ninuno nila. Pero native na native naman ang 'tsura.

I mean, it's basically a challenge: If you're one of the Filipinos who go brag about a real or imagined Spanish ancestry, then why let me stop you? Go ahead, tell people you're Spanish. Fuck if I care. But don't say I didn't warn you. Go ahead. Take it overseas, outside of Philippine borders. See if people don't cringe. Sooner or later, you'll run out of polite people who just smile and nod and actually call out this Pinoy obsession with a real or imagined foreign ancestry.

Then you also say this:
So by how we look is how you identify people. So if you saw a person from the Dominican Republic and they look black, you say "There definitely African."

How did you draw that from what I said? You are assuming too much. If you really read everything and tried to understand what I was saying, you'll see that, THAT is NOT going to be my conclusion. In fact, I actually already commented about the Latin American and Carribean experience in a previous reply. I reiterate: " it has been my experience, that Latin Americans name the country they are from first and foremost. (Mexicans say they are Mexicans. Guatemalans say they are Guatemalans... etc.). Very few tack on the place of their colonial origins unless they were very recent and VERY CERTAIN (ie. First or Second Generation migrants)- or an obvious visible minority/ethno cultural group (ie. The Japanese in Peru, Germans in Argentina and Rural Brazil, the children of expatriates everywhere etc.etc.).

I emphasize "Very Certain" because that has been the point of this post all along. Only Filipinos say "I'm Spanish" with outright certainty despite not having direct proof,"


In the same post, I also mention how much I admire how people from the Carribean embrace their blackness, saying: "I have... attended many a Caribbean cultural event here in Calgary, and yes, they do seem to be proud of their African Heritage despite not having set foot in the continent and despite not having their lineage traceable by any more than a few generations.

In fact, that is exactly another point I wish to make and what makes the black populations of the Caribbean all the more commendable is that they fully embrace the African side of their creole heritage. The same, unfortunately cannot be said of Filipinos who so readily proclaim "I'm Spanish".
"


So there you go: I was commending Carribean people for embracing their blackness. Whereas Pinoys are sooooo eager - atat na atat sa Tagalog - to shed their Native/Coloured roots.

The fact that this post has hit the most nerve seems to prove this point, doesn't it?

9:35 AM  
Blogger Paul Flores said...

You sound like a lonely foreigner who has loss his roots. All Filipinos came from a barangay a village and his language is his tribe. You trace your roots not by a surname or dna testing or even written records, you trace it with your family ties to a village its this tie that makes you who you are.

10:31 AM  
Blogger StrayDog said...

Paul Flores,

Oh please.

Dude, that argument is so weaksauce. The cliche that Filipinos who move out of the birthcountry end up 'losing something' is a tired one.

Not only that it is also incredibly inaccurate.

Tribal 'shmribal'...

It's a global community now, and if we are to talk about who are more slavish towards global trends and white worship, the group who more readily THROWS away their FIILIPINO ROOTS, I would have to say that it is the middle income - 'can afford' according to Pinoy lingo - Pinoys living in the Philippines. Since they 'can afford' the niceties of modern resurgent middle class lifestyle, they consume western pop culture in an unimaginable amount. Way more so than the Pinoys I know here, overseas.

As I said elsewhere concerning Philippine Cinema:

There are sectors of Philippine society whose prejudice against Philippine Cinema is so strong, they would never give it a chance. ...these types often hurl insults (I could scarcely call them criticisms) without having seen what they are talking about! They lead with their negative presumptions/assumptions, and then go from there.

It's not as though these elitist types necessarily have more sophisticated sensibilities than the masa they abhor. For white-bread Pinoys, just because the people onscreen are speaking English, this all of a sudden gives movies a certain aura of sophistication.

In case it weren't clear, I am basically indicting my old self here - had I grown up in the Philippines, I would no doubt have continued to be as slavish to Western Pop Culture."


The fact that you are so off-base with your prejudice against Pinoys who have moved out of the birthcountry means you live your life leading with such assumptions and to that, I say "Poor You". You would never know how rich and amazing the tapestry of the international Filipino community truly is.



And another thing...

By its very premise, your calling 'us' Filipinos of the Diaspora as "Foreigners", all while assuming that we've 'lost' something, are putting two things together that are not themselves reconcilable.

If you have the gall to call me a 'foreigner', than at least connect the dots as to what that means. And simply put: It means I don't owe you anything. I don't owe the birthcountry anything. And I certainly don't owe Pinoys living in the Philippines anything.

This also means that I have not 'lost' anything, because as a 'foreigner', I am either too far removed or never had any Filipino-ness in the first place! Whether it is due to the separation of time (closing in on TWO DECADES for me!) or distance (10,976km in a straight line), for a so called 'foreigner' to lament and be sad about how he's lost touch with the Philippines is.... well, it doesn't happen to real, true foreigners.

For instance, think of a country you yourself have NO connection to. For the sake of example, let's say Iceland. Being a foreigner of that land you cannot be sad you have lost connection to it, because you NEVER HAD ANY connection to the that place in the first place.

Although I concede that it is entirely possible to visit the place and subsequently miss it later on, after you have left it, but that's another matter altogether.

... or rather, that is 'the matter' with my own relationship with the Philippines.

Because as a 'foreigner', I miss the parts that one never gets to see in Canada. You know, the part about having privilege, positive attention, and power.

Unfortunately, such power, privilege, and positive attention I received from the Philippines, is in part due to Filipinos' obsession with and slavishness to western culture and a (real or imagined) western heritage.

But that's another rant.

Tune in for a future essay regarding this.

11:50 AM  
Blogger Paul Flores said...

You wouldn't know what a true Filipino is I am dual an Aust and Pinoy. I go back to a village with tribal roots, true Filipinos assimilate but you would never know this because all you know about them is from what you've seen in the movies and what you've read. Filipinos in their tribal walks picked up different tribal cultures and assimilated with these different tribes that is how Filipinos make peace. They pick up on each others language and customs and they make it their own. This is what makes the Filipinos so gregarious but as a foreigner you would never know this. Our language is traced back to old Malay the word sakit is used by all Indo-Malays and you can say sakit from Borneo to Malaysia and they will understand, think how important this word is for survival it means I am sick and we Filipinos kept it and didn't bastardize it, if you knew the language you would know your ancestral ties. I come from a remote rainforest with 10 different tribes speaking 10 different languages and we live in peace and we communicate in Tagalog. Stop watching TV and go back to the Filis and really have a good look and get off the beaten tracks.

6:49 PM  
Blogger StrayDog said...

Part I

I'm sorry, but I can't put what I'm about to say here as anything else but an accusation: You are now backtracking on your own argument.

As in, you realized you screwed up the very first premise, that you're now trying desperately hard to make me feel awkward and wrong about myself.

Again, sorry, but that's just how it sounds.

First you accuse me of a Foreigner who has lost his roots. As you said yourself:

You sound like a lonely foreigner who has loss his roots....

Then, I called you out that YOUR labeling of me as a foreigner is irreconcilable with the very idea you are trying to advance. Because by the time you label/accuse/assume the premise that I am a 'foreigner', then you just worked against YOUR own argument that *I* have lost my roots. Because if someone is 'foreign' to the Philippines, then roots become irrelevant. Everything I am, is not from there. There is nothing to lose, and nothing lost about my Filipino-ness.

THAT is what being a foreigner means. I am not one of you. I am something else. And I have no regrets.

That is, if I were a foreigner. Big 'IF'.

Because I must remind you, YOU were the one who labeled me as foreign to the Philippines.

I am not.

Anyway, moving on from that… you then hinge your whole post on the premise that the ONLY reason I could possibly think this way is due to an emotional state of being. Ie. Loneliness.

It's a little off putting really. And I can’t really ignore it because this is the greatest (worst?) example of piss poor discussion skills: Resorting to ad-hominem attacks.


So anyway, on to your second post where you said this:
You wouldn't know what a true Filipino is I am dual an Aust and Pinoy. you would never know this because all you know about them is from what you've seen in the movies and what you've read.

Oh, well good for you. I humbly bow before your superiority and awesomeness and amazingness and betterness, and so on and so forth bla bla bla...

Is that what you wanted to hear? Do you go trawl (and troll) other people's pages to tell them how inferior they are and/or how superior you are? Why do all your posts start with how awful I am and end with how awesome you are? At your most benign, you have a prescription of how I SHOULD think instead... all without looking at the sum of my observations and experiences as written in here - the entirety of this blog.

2:04 PM  
Blogger StrayDog said...

Part II

More importantly, you've never taken on any idea that I advanced here. All you've done is make irrational, off base, inaccurate, and ridiculously far reaching assumptions of what I am as a person. In fact, I was about to say that "I am more than the sum of this blog", but if you actually did some more reading, you would know that I AM MORE than this one post. I have so many things written here and you seem to have ignored them all and just zeroed in on YOUR OWN ASSUMPTIONS.

It's amazing, really.

I don't leave much to the imagination. I say everything that's on my mind. And yet you still lead with the false premise based on your assumptions.

So where was I? Oh yeah, that statement of yours: you would never know this because all you know about them is from what you've seen in the movies and what you've read.

False.

While I do read and watch, I have never pretended, nor will I ever pretend, to know any culture - Filpino or not - based ONLY on what I've read and watched.

However, I analyze pop culture. It's what I do as a filmmaker/adman/communications dude, whatever jobs I've picked up in the past (and still pick up to this day). If you're alluding to the other posts I've made on this blog well, please read them again. I was performing analysis of market trends, coolhunting, divining future direction based on what's happening currently... etc etc.. It is a common technique academically and how I have used it here, I honestly feel, is unassailable (as a technique). If you wish to take-on those specific posts, then you must do so by taking apart my critique, and not the fact that I performed such critique.

They’re called a 'film reviews' or ‘book reviews’. Look it up.

You would know this if you just got to know me better, even if only based on what I have made available here. Alas, you are judgemental and full of ready labels for people you meet, probably both online and offline. You are the epitome of ad-hominem attacks.

And yes, I am doing it too. Right now. To you. How does it feel?

2:04 PM  
Blogger StrayDog said...

Part III

You also said this:
Filipinos in their tribal walks picked up different tribal cultures and assimilated with these different tribes that is how Filipinos make peace. They pick up on each others language and customs and they make it their own.

Fair enough. I guess what you're trying to say is, the Spanish influence in the Philippines made Filipinos assimilating Spanish culture and identity - and hence leading to claims of Filipino-Spanish mixing - was inevitable, because the default Filipino setting is to absorb and assimiliate? Did I get that right? If so, then I have nothing in response. That's a good point on your part.

You also said:
This is what makes the Filipinos so gregarious but as a foreigner you would never know this.

I am Philippine Born. I spent the first 15 years of my life in the Philippines. I have been in Canada for close to 20 years.

I guess I should have said that. I guess I should have. But then again... IT'S ONLY on the masthead of this blog, and it's pretty hard to miss!!!

But, because you are judgemental with tremendous feelings of superiority, you glossed over that fact and attempted to humiliate me instead.

But it's not working because...

Marunong akong magtagalog. Kayang kaya ko. Minsan nga talo ko pa ang Pilipinong nakatira sa Pilipinas dahil ang Pilipino ay, gaya na nga ng sinabi mo, ubod ng lakas maki-uso at maka 'absorb' ng ibang salita. Taglish sila, ako purong Tagalog. Noong aking kabataan, nasubukan kong tumira sa Ilocos Sur, kung saan ipinanganak ang mahal kong nanay. Sayang nga lang, hindi ako natuto ng Ilocano. Pero at least, maipagmamalaki ko na ako ay produkto ng dalawang magkaibang lahi sa Pilipinas. Dalawang kultura. Dalawang rehiyon. Dalawang magkaibang tribo.

Kaya kung iinsultuhin mo ang pagka Pilipino ko - kung ako ay paparatangan mo na hindi na Pinoy - ay pasensya ka na kaibigan, matatalo ka. Wala nang mas aastig pa sa akin pagdating sa pagmamahal at pagtatangkilik sa kanyang bayang sinilangan.

Malalaman mo sana ito kung nagbasa basa ka pa bago nanghusga. Subalit ikaw ay may pambihirang kakayahan na manglapastangan ng pagkatao ng iba, kahit hindi mo naman sila talaga kilala.



Ahem.

2:05 PM  
Blogger StrayDog said...

Part IV

Then you said this with a bit of final flourish I might add:
This is what makes the Filipinos so gregarious but as a foreigner you would never know this…. I come from a remote rainforest with 10 different tribes speaking 10 different languages and we live in peace and we communicate in Tagalog. Stop watching TV and go back to the Filis and really have a good look and get off the beaten tracks."

HOLY!! !^$$%W*(#@$%*($#@%#@$^*&@# AhhhhH!! DID YOU NOT READ ANYTHING IN THIS BLOG AT ALL? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I DID! I WENT BACK AND DISCOVERED THE PHILIPPINES FOR MYSELF!!!

AnakNgTetengNamanO...... Hindi ko alam ko ano gusto mong palabasin talaga. Sa totoo lang.

Sori ha. Pero hindi ko kayang makipagsabayan e. Puro ka husga. Hindi mo man lang hinarap ni isang premise at idea na isinulat ko dito e. Sa totoo lang hindi diskusyon hanap mo e. Gusto mo lang manglapastangan ng ibang tao.

Kung tutuusin, gan'to tayo dito:

Ako: "Hindi yata tama na ang Pilipino ay mag-'claim' na sila ay Espanyol. Unang una, wala silang pruweba. Ikalawa, nalahian man tayo, malayo na masyado para lakas loob nating i-claim ito. Ikatlo, sa totoo lang, ginagamit ito ng Pinoy bilang sandata, bilang isang yabang, at bilang pang api sa mga katutubong Pinoy."

Tapos ikaw naman, titirada ng gan'to:

Ikaw: "Hindi ka naman kasi pinoy e. Kaya wala kang alam. Ako? Pinoy ako. Ito ang pinaggalingan ko. Kaya mas marami akong alam. Magaling ako e. Ikaw? Hindi!”

yan. Ganyan ka. Puro kaw na lang ang tama kahit walang pruweba at puwersa. Dahil sinabi mo lang, tama ka na. Tapos ako, para sa iyo, mali ako dahil tancha mo, nalulungkot lang ako.

Ganon ba? Ang galing mo ‘no?

Finally. I really have no clue what this has to do with this post, titled 'Dear Filipinos, Stop Claiming that You're Spanish!'

And so, I am done with you, Mr. Judgemental.
Goodbye.

2:06 PM  
Blogger Andrew Delfin said...

Study genetics of course they have little Spanish blood so that will look more Filipino.

3:31 AM  
Blogger Andrew Delfin said...

You're somewhat a coward for not approving my comments.

3:32 AM  
Blogger StrayDog said...

Andrew Delfin said:
You're somewhat a coward for not approving my comments.

No, I'm just inattentive, you self important prick. Not everything is about you. I greenlight most comments that aren't spam. The gatekeeping is really there to keep spambots and spammers away. And I haven't got the time to instantaneously greenlight everything all at once.

I am neither threatened nor affected in any negative manner by anyone's posts. If you ever noticed, I take on anyone. If anyone is rude, I fire back. If anyone misinterprets anything I say, I set them straight. But if I realize I am wrong, I stand corrected.

Now, as for your comment:
Study genetics of course they have little Spanish blood so they will look more Filipino.

Then if you (not you YOU, but you know... Pinoys who do) say "I'm Spanish", then you'd just be plain wrong. You can say you are a mix, you a Mestizo, or whatever. But don't say "I'm Spanish" like so many ill-informed, pretentious, or fantasizing Filipinos often do.

7:39 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Hey we filipinos hate the spaniards, and we don't claim that we are spaniards were filipinos dumkopf. And we filipinos are asians we are not british,american,german, or russian

8:56 PM  
Blogger StrayDog said...

You said:

"Hey we filipinos hate the spaniards, and we don't claim that we are spaniards were filipinos dumkopf. And we filipinos are asians we are not british,american,german, or russian"

It sounds to me as though you are reacting to THIS comic - an editorial cartoon stolen online and posted here for humourous purposes - all whilst completely ignoring the rest of what I have written.

Also, your assertion that Filipinos "don't claim we are spaniards were (sic) filipinos dumpkopf", is mind blowing. I have experiential evidence, collected anecdotes, and other people's various stories pointing to this widespread practice and obsession of Filipinos to highlight purported Spanish Ancestry (real or imagined, fantasy or not).

Shit, all you have to do is read the reactions in this here very reaction page: Filipinos WILL VEHEMENTLY DEFEND THIS perception of possessing Spanish Ancestry (real or imagined, fantasy or not).

On the other hand, thank you for being the first to say that Filipinos are not anything else but Filipinos. That's... somewhat refreshing to be honest.

However, I must subtract points for the dumkopf comment. I looked it up. It means "Stupid head" in German. I learned something new! Yay! But then still ARE calling me names. You could have done without the name calling - especially since you're the one who has not read everything written here before posting, it seems.

Overall, I give you an F for Fail.

12:36 PM  
Blogger queen nie said...

This comment has been removed by the author.

7:54 PM  
Blogger queen nie said...

This comment has been removed by the author.

7:58 PM  
Blogger StrayDog said...

Thank you for the comment, Queen Nie!

It's been a while since I had anything resembling "good discourse". It seems I have touched a nerve with this nearly decades old post (?? That long!??) attracting its fair share of people who have nothing to contribute but to tell myself to fuck off.

R.

11:59 PM  

Post a Comment

Links to this post:

Create a Link

<< Home